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Maratha Resurrection

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The article lacks WP:NOTABILITY, with only a single source provided which only briefly mentions the term. There seems to be no significant usage of this term in the scholarly community at all, with close to no scholars using this term. PadFoot (talk) 14:35, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment It appears there is are scholar and book resources that mentions this event, so it may be supported by WP:RS. (click Scholar/Book link at the top of this AfD). Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:52, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are only two citations in scholar that mention such a term, one deals with paintings of early modern era India, and other deals with Vidarbha cotton, none of them are specialised histories regarding the subject. PadFoot (talk) 16:41, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unsure. The first citation is cited incorrectly, never a good sign in an article. It doesn’t link to the first paragraph at all. Google Scholar throws up three publications using the phrase, and they’re all 2023 and 2024… so maybe it’s becoming more popular recently, but it doesn’t seem to be there yet. I’d love to know if there are Indian language sources using the equivalent phrase, which is translated here into English? But I don’t have the language skills to find out. So, on the one hand, the article as written doesn’t establish notability, but there seems to be sources out there which might… means I can’t decide between weak keep and weak delete, but tend towards weak delete unless someone steps in and finds some sources so we can be sure it’s not something the creator came up with himself through synth. Absurdum4242 (talk) 16:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Britannica is okay but per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, secondary sources are preferable. If there’s only one secondary source shown, then for now I am okay with deleting the article, until notability is established. I can be persuaded from my vote if someone provides more sources using this term. Someguywhosbored (talk) 04:37, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (or maybe merge) Notability for the term "Maratha Resurrection" is not an issue, as multiple articles discuss it in the context of Peshwa Madhav Rao, such as this [1]. If the historical facts are accurate, the term does not need specialized historical articles to validate its significance. A phenomenon's name can stand on its own merit, regardless of extensive historical analysis. Therefore, if the information presented is correct, I oppose deleting the article. Notability is notability; it is not solely defined by "specialized scholars." Scholars provide historical analysis, while any historical event can be labeled differently over time without distorting history, as long as the facts remain intact. If the historical facts here are wrong, then delete it. Otherwise-keep. Thanks.

DangalOh (talk) 16:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DangalOh, I think get what you mean to say here. The various battles mentioned in the article are notable, but the "Maratha resurrection" as a single event enveloping all these conflicts into a single one is not supported by many reliable sources. Such a term lacks notability and widespread usage in the scholarly community (see WP:HISTRS). A merger into another suitable article would be alright though. PadFoot (talk) 13:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand it. If the series of events are absolutely unrelated and are being portrayed more like a synthesis, then it's a no. But if those events are related or depict a phenomenon that might not have been specifically termed as something like 'Maratha resurrection' by most of the WP:HISTRS, it might still merit inclusion. As logic suggests, WP:HISTRS is meant to establish or verify history. A term for a series of events (unless the events are entirely unrelated and someone is trying to make them seem connected) can be developed at any point in time. And yes, I do believe a standalone article is a bit too much. But I trust you—you will find a way to not completely remove this and find a good article (maybe the main one) to merge it into without compromising its integrity. The term might gain more traction in the future; maybe then people can discuss a standalone article. Thanks. DangalOh (talk) 15:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per nom, I don't think there's enough scholarly sources that properly refer to a "Maratha resurrection". The scholar search up bit wasn't really much per Padfoot's explanation. Noorullah (talk) 03:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Appears to have been canvassed here. Noorullah21 Notice. Lightburst (talk) 16:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I have added some sources. It is a significant evening. Other Indian kingdoms had thought Maratha empire was weakened a lot after the loss of Battle of Panipat on 1761, but Marathas regained territory up to Delhi in 1771 and Najibababad 1772 battle. That is very much notable. And also the exact term Maratha Resurrection was used in multiple sources. Though Marathas could not occupy up to Peshawar like before the Panipat battle, this was a significant territory away from their capital Poona. Crashed greek (talk) 08:41, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The added source (snippet) only includes a brief mention of the term, without providing any explanations of the term. I'm not sure whether you understand WP:NOTABILITY. A simple scholar search will show that there are close to zero sources that use term "Maratha resurrection", clearly depicting that the term lacks notability in the scholarly community. PadFoot (talk) 13:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge There doesn't seem to be enough context or content for a standalone article, but it seems this could easily be merged into Maratha Empire as a sub-heading in the History section. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:31, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Unless I am missing something these individual talk page notices from the nominator (@PadFoot2008:) look like WP:CANVASSING. Both AirshipJungleman29 and Flemmish_Nietzsche previously !voted delete on one of the nominator's other AfD nominations and Noorullah just looks like someone the nominator knows.

Lightburst (talk) 16:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lightburst, sorry, I am new to AfDs, (this one is my first one). I wouldn't notify anyone else. So I can't notify people who often contribute to this field? PadFoot (talk) 01:58, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PadFoot2008: Always best to allow editors to find these through the projects- this AfD was posted in several. If you reach out to individuals it always has the appearance of bringing a like-minded editor to change consensus. I am sure others can explain better than I can. Also read the link WP:CANVASSING as it is nuanced. Lightburst (talk) 02:40, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lightburst, Alright, thank you. PadFoot (talk) 07:06, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per DangalOh's admission, But if those events are related or depict a phenomenon that might not have been specifically termed as something like 'Maratha resurrection' by most of the WP:HISTRS, it might still merit inclusion... The term might gain more traction in the future; maybe then people can discuss a standalone article. As and when scholars will start using this term, we will swiftly create this article. TrangaBellam (talk) 09:40, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Vanessa Grellet

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No significant coverage in secondary, independent sources outside of all the crypto churnalism. Accomplished businesswoman and executive, but there's nothing much of note (awards, research, influence, founding of a company). Mooonswimmer 16:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello and thank you for your feedback.

I am quite surprised by this outcome, all the sources were found on Google, the most important ones in Google News. And I just found a new source on Forbes: https://www.forbes.fr/technologie/etat-des-lieux-des-nft-au-paris-blockchain-week-summit

Vanessa Grellet has appeared in 3 notable French media: La Tribune, BFM Business, and Le Monde Informatique, as well as in the Wall Street Journal and Forbes. She has also contributed to a paper for the World Economic Forum. I thought that these were notable primary and secondary independent sources. Your help would be appreciated in order to improve the article. Crystalcoin (talk) 21:53, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Forbes source you linked to has only one mention of Vanessa Grellet. Translated to English:

Between pure speculation and truly disruptive technology, NFTs appeal to a wide range of profiles. The “NFT Panel: How NFT funds are taking advantage of an emerging market” conference presented how NFT funds are approaching this market. Renowned panelists Julien Bouteloup, founder Blackpool Finance, James WO, CEO-founder DFG, Drew Austin, Redbeard Ventures and Vanessa Grellet, Coinfound explained their interest in these technologies.

Although it's a generally reliable source when the articles are written by Forbes staff, that is far from significant coverage, which is necessary to demonstrate the notability of a subject. It's a passing mention. It doesn't develop on why Grellet is a renowned panelist. Do you have any sources covering her or her work in-depth? That's what would help demonstrate that she is indeed notable. We'd need at least two or three sources. Mooonswimmer 22:49, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, thanks for your answer. Vanessa Grellet contributed to a World Economic Forum paper in 2021.

I don't think this organization would have invited her if she wasn't a renowned panelist.

https://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_Digital_Currency_Governance_Consortium_2021.pdf

She has two other interviews in the main economical medias in France: in La Tribune (https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/banques-finance/les-bourses-traditionnelles-vont-s-interesser-aux-crypto-actifs-et-vice-versa-vanessa-grellet-consensys-817978.html) and a video one at the Paris Blockchain Week with BFM TV (https://www.bfmtv.com/economie/replay-emissions/tech-and-co/vanessa-grellet-coinfund-coinfund-est-un-fonds-d-investissement-specialise-dans-le-web3-12-04_VN-202204120691.html), one of the biggest blockchain events in Europe. Those are not PR for sure, I can agree that the one on Le Monde Informatique looks more like a PR (https://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-aglae-ventures-va-lancer-un-fonds-de-100-meteuro-dedie-au-web3-87642.html).

She is also mentioned in The Wall Street Journal :

https://www.wsj.com/articles/arche-capital-to-raise-100-million-debut-fund-amid-crypto-comeback-b7713428 Crystalcoin (talk) 09:41, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Source 2 is a RS, but it's an interview with this person where they give advice on financial subjects. Rest of the sourcing is PR items for this or that financial venture. Oaktree b (talk) 01:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Just not enough coverage to show notability. A French Gsearch limited to .fr sites [2] only brings up PR items. There isn't enough to show notability. She's mentioned here [3], but it's only a brief paragraph discussing other things. Oaktree b (talk) 01:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
French wiki article has been tagged for promotion and tagged for notability concerns, but they let it run for a year before discussing deletion (which is, strange, but their house, their rules). Sources in the French article are largely these PR items or similar to those used in the En wiki article. I do find it odd that there are no Fr sources used on the Fr wiki article, about a person from France. Oaktree b (talk) 01:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but what you are saying is not true.

In the French Google search, the first link is her profile on the French government's public investment bank called BPI (Banque Publique d'Investissement): https://big.bpifrance.fr/fr/speaker/65009755-7355-ef11-991a-6045bd954cb8/vanessa-grellet

On page 2, there is also on page an official paper from the French Ministry of Economy in collaboration with the French Tech mentioning Vanessa Grellet: https://www.tresor.economie.gouv.fr/Articles/71361bf0-8d26-443c-9572-5c53955c1aa9/files/564c4897-e4b9-44f1-938a-93d7e3b016f2

Again, why would the French Government ask a non-relevant person to talk about a specific subject? Crystalcoin (talk) 09:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We need sources that talk about her; she is important but you need sourcing. Neither of these is about her, they just confirm she appeared at xyz event. Oaktree b (talk) 12:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your answer, I've found a few reliable sources like Forbes and the Financial Times and I have edited the article. Let me know if you see any other improvement. Crystalcoin (talk) 17:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you asilvering,

Vanessa Grellet is an active actor in the sphere of crypto.

She has been interviewed by major economical media and she is an experienced panelist.

You will find in the sources:

- is in the top 100 most influential people in crypto in 2022, Cointelegraph

- has been interviewed by top French economical media: BFM Business and La Tribune

- is top speaker at blockchain conferences: Consensus and Paris Blockchain Week Summit, Forbes

- founded her own company, The Wall Street Journal, after managing the crypto fund of the world's "new" richest man, Financial Times

- co-founded with other S&P 500 companies the Enterprise Ethereum Alliance, now a board member

- has collaborated with the World Economic Forum and The Massachusetts Institute of Technology Crystalcoin (talk) 21:52, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Makito Hatanaka

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played some games in Japan's third league and 110 minutes in Singapore. I'm not very swayed by the status as a tall footballer. This is curious information that belongs in a list. Geschichte (talk) 11:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Takahide Kishi

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Falls short of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, with a career lasting 501 minutes (not including amateur divisions). Deleted before. Geschichte (talk) 11:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Linebet

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Still think this should be an A7, can't be bothered reverting the removal though. All coverage is ORGTRIV. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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RioSul Shopping

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No sources other than their own website. Appears to fail WP:ORG. Was going to look at the Portuguese Wiki for sources but it appears to have been deleted there. AusLondonder (talk) 11:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cancelled (podcast)

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Reliability of sources is questionable, and otherwise unsuitable to be considered SIGCOV. Especially concerning given that this is sufficiently BLP-adjacent that the policy likely binds us. Even worse, the article text actually only bears the barest resemblance to the contents of the nearest footnotes, if even that, and the tone is such that even had we the sources to write a proper article, we may be best to start from scratch. The bluelinked hosts preclude A7, but perhaps G11 should be seriously considered. Alpha3031 (t • c) 10:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shehbaz Speed

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Fails WP:GNG. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 10:06, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Shehbaz Sharif: This is PROMO. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:50, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rostov-on-Don pre-trial detention center hostage crisis

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Seems to fail WP:NEVENT, specifically the lasting part. I cannot find any continued coverage of this event in English, or any secondary source for that matter. It is possible some exists in Russian or under a name different to the title. Traumnovelle (talk) 18:54, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep haven't done too deep of a dive (i guess more of a week keep, I'm pretty sure this is notable though) but with a quick search I found this article from only 4 days ago, reflecting on the consequences of the hostage taking. There's definitely more but this shows continued coverage and consequences for NEVENT PARAKANYAA (talk) 10:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: per para, coverage seems sustained. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 01:30, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per above Zach (talk to me) 09:53, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Kent

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Fails WP:BASIC. Lacking "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." Sole acceptable source is from BBC Scotland Business news reporting on his appointment to lead the Scotch Whisky Association. Not sufficient to demonstrate notability as a "mention in passing (example given at BASIC is "John Smith at Big Company said..." or "Mary Jones was hired by My University")" AusLondonder (talk) 08:43, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The CMG is a high honour which isn't handed out in cornflakes packets. Only about 30-40 awarded every year in a country of 67 million people. Clearly notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:14, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Akhtar Usman

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The BLP was created in the main namespace and later draftified by Maliner. The creator then submitted it for review, but later unilaterally moved the BLP back to the main namespace, to avoid AFC review process. So I feel compelled to take this to AFD so the community can decide whether it should remain or be deleted. IMO, it fails both GNG and NAUTHOR, as none of the works are notable enough. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Badiul Alam

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3sources, 2primary plus deadlink. main claim is a gold medal from American Biographical Institute, which is a paid for valueless vanity project according to ABI wikipage. otherwise non notable imo. lacks sigcov with a similarly named journalist dominating google. Canary757 (talk) 07:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tom Brady's Patriots Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony

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Rejected draft(after two declines) moved into the encyclopedia against advice. This event is not notable as a distinct event. Brady's achievements are written in the article about Brady. Poorly sourced, the sources provided just document the occurrence of the ceremony, no sources that discuss it in depth and show its importance. The legacy section is entirely unsourced. Clearly a piece written by a Patriots/Brady fan, which we shouldn't be able to tell. 331dot (talk) 07:39, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or redirect to Tom Brady. Not appropriate for a stand-alone article. I've searched and can't find another case where someone's induction into a hall of fame has its own stand-alone article -- not for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the Baseball Hall of Fame, or the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. This is serious overkill. Cbl62 (talk) 11:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: So, it's an important event where people spoke? That's rather routine for induction ceremonies... Nothing out of the ordinary happened, no criminal events happened (no attempted shooting, no mass casualty event). This doesn't seem notable. Oaktree b (talk) 11:53, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I'm a big Brady fan, but there's nothing particular that sets this event apart from the numerous other routine induction ceremonies for team halls or number retirements. There's nothing to indicate there's going to be lasting coverage of this event, and there's nothing that stands out about this event that would make it anything other than routine. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John Cooke (musician)

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Lots of passing mentions for the man and an interview but nothing else. Fails WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep^Talk 07:04, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Venomous Concept, the one band for which he has been a consistent long-term member, and for which he is most often mentioned in the music media. Otherwise he is one of those pro working musicians who has filled in with various bands when needed and worked some session and solo projects, but remains little-covered in his own right. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:35, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Three of the sources are about him directly, I think that covers WP:SIGCOV. Mewhen123 (talk) 12:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mewhen123: What three sources are there. Can you point them out please. scope_creep^Talk 13:20, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stormark, Ella. "INTERVIEW: NAPALM DEATH'S JOHN COOKE". orangeamps. Retrieved 20 July 2024.
Rigs of Death Metal (16 November 2021). Rig talk with John Cook of Napalm Death. Retrieved 20 July 2024 – via YouTube.
Childers, Chad (4 October 2018). "Napalm Death's John Cooke on Journey From Driver to Guitarist". Loudwire. Retrieved 20 July 2024.
Loudwire (3 October 2018). Napalm Death's John Cooke Plays His Favorite Riffs. Retrieved 20 July 2024 – via YouTube.

Here they are, in fact there are four. Mewhen123 (talk) 13:26, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interviews can't establish notability as they are WP:PRIMARY and both non-social media websites. Social media can't be used in this manner to establish notability. Its not on. On the BLP policy page it states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources". None of these are proper WP:SECONDARY sources that are needed for a WP:BLP. scope_creep^Talk 14:19, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Corvigo

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There doesn't seem to be much coverage of this company outside of trade journals. The NYT article mentions the company a few times but does not address it directly in much if any detail. CNN is one single namedrop. I can't see any way of meeting all four criteria of WP:ORGCRIT with multiple sources, unfortunately. Previously deleted by PROD in 2006. Alpha3031 (t • c) 07:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Embassy of Turkey, Seoul

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Fails WP:ORG. One primary source. The history section is actually about relations with North Korea which should be in North Korea–Turkey relations. LibStar (talk) 15:46, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Indo Gulf Fertilisers

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lack of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources, which raises questions about its notability and relevance in the context of Wikipedia. Jiaoriballisse (talk) 14:26, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Haykakan Par

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I struggled to find sources as firstly there seems to be a song or dance of the same name and secondly the article does not say what the Turkish name is. I found a couple of mentions in Google Scholar but not enough to show notability. I don’t know that part of Turkey so happy to be proved wrong if you know better Chidgk1 (talk) 14:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rajshahi Cantonment Board School And College

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The article reliance on promotional content and local news also it does not fulfill WP:GNG. Nxcrypto Message 12:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lalmonirhat Cantonment Public School And College

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The article lacks significant independent coverage and relies primarily on promotional material and local news sources. It fails to meet WP:GNG as there is absence of third-party references to substantiate its relevance. Nxcrypto Message 12:11, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ramu Cantonment Public School and College

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Article lacks significant independent coverage and relies heavily on primary sources, primarily promotional material and local news. Without substantial third-party references, the article does not meet WP:GNG. Nxcrypto Message 11:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Karelian Bobtail

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Cannot find any independent sigcov. The mentions I can find are so brief and vague I can't even be sure they've not just simply misspelt Kurilian Bobtail. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:36, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Not the original editor for this article, I'm the one who added it to the list of cat breeds article. Karelian Bobtails are rare breed and mostly in rural villages. There are a handful of breeders in the Republic and Leningrad Oblast. Breeding is difficult because of the recessive gene. All original information online is in Russian, and a bit in Suvi. If you give me a couple weeks I can perhaps contact some people to see if they have the original research and documents from the 90s. I can't do this immediately though as I have field work for the next couple weeks.

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I don't dispute the breed exists, just that there is not enough independent secondary coverage for a stand alone article. I do not mind waiting for you to look for sources but if they're original research and primary documents that aren't published they are not useful for Wikipedia. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:19, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Just to note I have no opposition to a redirect to List of cat breeds where the subject is also mentioned. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kwality Wall's

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doesn't have enough reliable sources to prove that the brand is significant or notable in the ice cream market Slarticlos (talk) 07:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Indian Public Health Association

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lacks enough reliable information showing that it is important or significant Slarticlos (talk) 07:01, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep it is often hard to find in depth coverage of national professional associations because they operate in a quality controlled walled garden. They don’t generate much chatter in the mainstream press and they own the specialist outlets. They’re much larger than the UK’s Royal Society for Public Health and probably more active. Mccapra (talk) 19:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Simon Brazier

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Senior executive positions at bluelinked companies preclude an A7, but I can find basically no coverage about the subject outside of routine announcements, certainly nothing with the requisite detail. Alpha3031 (t • c) 06:42, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mazhanoolkkanavu

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PROD removed with statement "Google/English language websearch is not good for Malayalam culture". If that is the case, why is it that Google Malayalam also yields nothing [4]. Changing the year parameter to today yields an unrelated music video of a similar name. Please find a review or two before keeping this. DareshMohan (talk) 06:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If we can be sure this was released, with a solid source, I might support a redirect to List of Malayalam films of 2003 (or to Augustine's filmography?) because the cast is rather notable. But we have only IMDb and the other Db to prove it. Is that enough? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:55, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:NFILM. Fails significant coverage WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. If anyone can find secondary independent reliable sources with significant coverage and two or more reviews from known critics, let me know and I will reconsider my vote. RangersRus (talk) 13:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It is impossible to just do a general search to find sources due to the way sources are archived. Best to check the Sify [5], Indiainfo [6], and Keralatalkies [7] reviews. A quick ctrl-f finds nothing. DareshMohan (talk) 05:53, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dogspot

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Per WP:NSUSTAINED Brief bursts of news coverage may not sufficiently demonstrate notability. The coverage is centered on it receiving some investment from a notable Indian businessman in 2016. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH. — hako9 (talk) 06:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Research on tornadoes in 2024

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This is a niche topic that fails WP:N and is likely WP:LISTCRUFT. Nothing is inherently notable about routine tornado research that requires a Wikipedia article to be written about it. United States Man (talk) 05:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep — Several RS articles written about tornadic research this year: [8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31]. Several lists are similar to this one including 2024 in climate change. Key to note, this article is a split from a parent article, History of tornado research. The 2024 article is nearly half the size of the parent article. So no matter what, deletion should never have been proposed, given it is a split-off article from the parent article…a merge proposal would have been better either into the parent history article or Tornadoes of 2024, which has a research section linking to this article as the “main”. That said, I think it has clearly enough RS and peer-reviewed secondary sources to back up notability. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:01, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: This article looks like someone typed "tornado" into Web of Science, with "2024" as the publication year, and wrote a brief summary of the abstract of every single paper that came up. Completely indiscriminate collection of routine, incremental research findings that nowhere is discussed in the aggregate as a particularly notable topic. As for it being spun off from History of tornado research, it never should have been put in that article in the first place. Wikipedia is supposed to summarize the world's knowledge, not archive the world's press releases and abstracts. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 11:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of movie theater chains

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Huge unsourced, unverifiable list of mostly non-notable cinemas/movie theatres. Tagged for lack of secondary sources for 12 years. Fails WP:NLIST and WP:NOTDIRECTORY as "a Simple listing without contextual information showing encyclopedic merit." AusLondonder (talk) 05:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep 97 references. Category:Cinema and movie theatre chains by country shows plenty of valid entries for this list. Just needs a lot of pruning to remove anything without its own article or a reference. Dream Focus 07:06, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Each reference is for each list entry, many non-notable. Where are the references discussing the subject as a group? AusLondonder (talk) 07:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: a reasonably notable topic for a list, that can be improved; added global/regional coverage (EL; LS). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Integrated stove

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The article doesn't meet the requirements of WP:V and WP:N. Frost 05:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. No case has been made why sourcing is insufficient. Cortador (talk) 05:28, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Claims like "the integrated design reduces gaps and corners" are unverified. Also, note the tone in the article, it's unencyclopedic. Frost 05:40, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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There is no usable content in this article. Frost 07:00, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or maybe a redirect to Stoves. There really isn't anything here that can be used. There are academic sources but they don't really add anything of real value to the article. If you google 集成灶 you'll get stoves. Dr vulpes (Talk) 08:02, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, probably with Stoves but open to other suggestions. The problem is that the words in English mean different things. It appears that there is a level of consistency in China, but I don't have the ability to read local language sources to determine overall whether it has specific meaning there. But there is certainly use in other parts of the world which mean different things - for example whilst we are told that in China is means several different kitchen appliances in one unit, in other places it might just mean that individual appliances are "built in" to the overall kitchen design. I think at this stage the best option is to merge until it is clear that there is specific meaning shown in the third party sources. JMWt (talk) 10:10, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah that was my problem as well. What I think it means, and this is a guess, is that it's a stove that also has an integrated vent. At least that's what I see when I google "集成灶" and go to images. Dr vulpes (Talk) 17:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge with Stove: seems like the best option (or whatever the "Stoves" articles above refer to). I can't find anything that describes this at length. Oaktree b (talk) 14:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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GEMO (Skin Care Device)

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Fails WP:NCORP. The company website, press releases, and industry award web pages are not sources from which the notability of a product can be determined. —Alalch E. 15:07, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - It has considerable popularity in this niche market in China. [32] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iuliusnanus (talk • contribs) 20:53, 25 September 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Iuliusnanus (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]
Promotional content. As a paid editor, you should be especially discerning of promotional and unusable sources. I presume that you are paid to write articles that will be kept, not deleted. If you cannot distinguish between usable and unusable sources, the articles you create will be deleted, and your clients will not be satisfied. —Alalch E. 21:44, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete based on the following source assessment:

Official website.
Extremely promotional news article.
Press release.
Some sort of design description written by this product's makers.
Extremely short description similar to above.
Another non-independent description of the product.

None of these meet the requirements of the GNG. The link added by Iuliusnanus above is sigcov (independence unclear), but one source alone is not enough to demonstrate notability. Toadspike [Talk] 18:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per the lack of significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. In my searches for sources and review of the sources in the article, I could find only unreliable sources, press releases, and reprints of press releases. GEMO does not pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
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Ibrahim Agha (Algeria)

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Article sounds more like a book than a Wikipedia article. Henry (talk) 00:35, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep the subject is plainly notable. Some of the article needs to be rewritten and looks to me like a cooyvio anyway, though I can’t get the source to load. Mccapra (talk) 03:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The "Hussein's reaction" section was translated directly from this page: https://web.archive.org/web/20130612123908/https://www.algerie-ancienne.com/Salon/Galib/8France/01expedit/17staoueli.htm I also checked the "Early life" section but did not find copying there. Other sections may also have copyright violations or close paraphrasing, but it's unlikely the entire article has been copied or translated directly here, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 05:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sibi Blazic

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No independent notability outside of as actor Christian Bale's wife. Does not meet WP:BIO. KyleJoan^talk 05:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Christian_Bale#Personal_life: mentioned there; see nominator's rationale. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Karine Babajanyan

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Lacks inline citations. Sources listed mostly lack independence from the subject. Not clear that the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 16:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - musician who has toured widely in major soprano roles. The article needs work, but it’s not so bad it needs to be Re-created from scratch. Bearian (talk) 19:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per above rationale. Archives908 (talk) 15:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gary Lefkowith

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Lots of passing mentions for BLP. Potentially notable.Fails WP:SIGCOV.WP:BIO scope_creep^Talk 20:51, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I don’t see how being connected to India is a valid reason to delete. Please clarify. Bearian (talk) 19:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bearian: I'm not sure really, three days ago. Ignore. scope_creep^Talk 19:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I see plenty of good sources and no specific problems. Bearian (talk) 05:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tormach

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Non-notable manufacturing company fails WP:NCORP. All the coverage available consists of press releases (WP:PRSOURCE), niche WP:TRADES publications not contributing to notability, and WP:ORGTRIV news -- there's no WP:SIGCOV in WP:SIRS and thus no pass of NCORP. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Added new references from different publications and sites about the company and its products. Please Review. Chiffre01 (talk) 17:06, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see a single independent, reliable, secondary source with WP:SIGCOV that counts toward WP:NCORP (Wired) and we need multiple. Most of these sources are WP:TRADES, which don't contribute to notability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This is one of those CORP articles where it isn't clear if the article is about a product or the company, since they essentially are both called Tormach. I think there is plenty about the product (using current cite numbering): these are short but probably reliable - 2, 6, 9. These are long and presumably reliable: 7, 11. These could be useful for article content: 10, 12. As for WP:TRADES, I don't think we should toss out all trades articles - it looks like the source Design World is much broader than just the kinds of machine tools that this company makes; and Hackaday is even broader than that. Best 3? Wired, Design World, Hackaday. Lamona (talk) 04:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lamona: The Aerospace Manufacturing and Design (2) is definitely a niche WP:TRADES publication, and the article itself is WP:ORGTRIV, routine coverage of new location(s). The Today's Medical Developments article (6) is a barely regurgitated press release from the company. The MakerWorks article (7) is a blog post by a company that services Tormach controllers and is not really secondary coverage. As for DesignWorld (11), it looks like a trade, but even if it's a broader publication, I don't think we can say it's reliable, since it has a supposedly bylined piece that is simply a verbatim reprinted press release from Tormach. You can find it in all sorts of other publications, virtually unaltered: [33], [34], [35], [36]. As for Hackaday, there are inconclusive RSN discussions on it (here, here); I would invite comments from @Graywalls, @Buidhe and @Slatersteven, independent participants in those discussions, on whether it's an appropriate source. The Wired article (9) I agree with you counts, but it's the only one that unambiguously counts toward WP:NCORP. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:00, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The MakerWorks does not claim to be wedded to Tormach, but claims to provide a wide variety of tools. I'm not sure what you mean by "service Tormach controllers". Yes, we can drop anything that has just copied a press release - thanks for finding that. However, I don't see the press release that is the copy for the DesignWorld piece - could you link to that? I couldn't find it on the Tormach site. Lamona (talk) 21:26, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lamona I don't see the press release on the Tormach website, but the identical text is posted on the sites I linked above, including this one where it is labeled a "press release", and this one where it is labeled "news from our sponsors". As for Maker Works, I may have misunderstood it, but it appears to be a blog from a local nonprofit maker space that has a Tormach mill. There is nothing here that suggests it is an editorially independent reliable source, particularly given the more stringent sourcing requirements of WP:NCORP. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Swamini Brahmaprajnananda Saraswati

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The subject of this BLP does not meet WP:NBIO, WP:NAUTHOR, nor the WP:GNG. The article was drafted by someone who has a suspect COI but the author has been banned for sockpuppetry, notably for removing maintenance tags. An IP user on my talk page has acknowledged that there isn't even very much published information on the subject. Combined with my BEFORE, I'm not seeing anything that meets our notability requirements for this article that appears to be masquerading as an advertisement. Bobby Cohn (talk) 23:39, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I’d like to add my voice in favor of keeping Swamini Brahmaprajnananda Saraswati’s page. Her influence spans across continents, and her teachings on Vedanta have touched the lives of so many people, myself included. While the page might need some edits (and we are working on that), the information is valuable and represents someone who is genuinely notable in the spiritual community. A lot of us are actively contributing to improve the page to meet Wikipedia’s standards, and removing it now would erase a key resource that many find helpful in discovering a true Vedanta guru. I hope this article can be preserved and refined, not deleted. [added this earlier in the talk section] 212.138.196.2 (talk) 16:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This person is notable for her scholarly research in the field of psychology. She is at the forefront identifying similarities/dissimilarities between Western psychology and psychological principles and psychology inherent in classic Indian texts such as the Bhagavad Gita. Her soon to be published PhD dissertation addresses this topic in a unique way. A similar person who does have a Wikipedia page is Professor Rambachan. It is important for Wikipedia to present balanced opinions on major topics such as psychology.Leaving her page in place will allow for contrasting views and opinions from the dominant existing framework.Eoddleifson (talk) 14:38, 9 October 2024 (UTC) — Eoddleifson (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

I respectfully oppose the deletion of this page for the following reasons:

Notability: Swamini Brahmaprajnananda Saraswati holds a significant position in the spiritual community and has made contributions that are noteworthy within her field. She is a respected figure in the Parampara, and her work, including published writings and teachings, is relevant to a wide audience. Her influence goes beyond individual students and impacts the larger community of spiritual seekers in India and internationally.

Presence of Reliable Sources: While the page may need further citations, there are multiple reliable sources that can validate her notability. These sources include books, publications, and notable mentions in relevant forums. Her contributions to spiritual teachings and involvement in community services have been acknowledged in respected publications. We will continue improving the citations to comply with Wikipedia's verifiability and notability guidelines.

As an example, her work can be seen in comparison with other Swamis and Swaminis in the Parampara who have established Wikipedia pages (e.g., Swamini Atmaprajnananda Saraswati).

Additionally, published materials such as her books and teachings, and references to her in newspapers and online platforms, validate her presence and importance in the field of spiritual education.

Ongoing Efforts to Improve the Page: The page has already been edited to align with Wikipedia's guidelines, including improvements made to ensure neutrality and adherence to notability criteria. We are open to further editing to meet any specific concerns raised by editors. This includes adding more reliable secondary sources and ensuring that the content follows a neutral point of view.

I request that this page be given more time for improvements and not be deleted hastily. I believe that with the support of the community, we can ensure that this page meets Wikipedia’s standards. 50.245.102.135 (talk) 20:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Arguments actually based in policy would be quite helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2008 Egyptian bus accident

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Lacks sustained coverage and had no lasting effects. Just a WP:News article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Good grief. Fails everything from WP:GNG to WP:LASTING and WP:NOTNEWS and all points inbetween. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Just imagine if an accident that killed 55 people that happened in the UK or USA was nominated for deletion! Clearly WP:SYSTEMIC. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:40, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dera Ghazi Khan bus-truck collision

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Lacks sustained coverage and had no lasting effects. Just a WP:News article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: per nom. While this incident was unfortunate, road accidents are quite common in Pakistan as stated at Traffic collisions in Pakistan, and this one does not appear significant enough to warrant a standalone article. It clearly fails to meet the NEVENT. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 07:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Just imagine if an accident that killed 30 people that happened in the UK or USA was nominated for deletion! Clearly WP:SYSTEMIC. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:40, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Necrothesp, So we’re just going to keep articles based on WP:BIAS even if they don’t meet GNG? Sounds like a solid plan! — Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:39, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - No, we should also keep them per WP:COMMONSENSE, which is a very good plan! Dogma is rarely the best way forwards. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:41, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - Necrothesp, Sorry, but if we start keeping articles based on WP:COMMONSENSE, we’ll be setting a bad precedent. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      - Pfah, common sense, eh! What use is that? -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lavangsdalen bus accident

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Lacks sustained coverage and had no lasting effects. Just a WP:News article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There was coverage a year after, and then some mentions here and there in years to come. Probably not very sustained. ~~I'm interested in repurposing the article to an article about the location, Lavangsdalen~~. Geschichte (talk) 06:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Lavangsdalen. This is a valley known for one thing first and foremost: road accidents. I have created the article, chronicling the modern accidents and outlining the hundreds of millions that have subsequently been spent on hightened safety. The bus accident where 5 died was the largest one, but still part of a broader pattern of accidents. Geschichte (talk) 08:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Era, Indiana

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Another Indiana rail-spot/post-office with nothing there. Not a notable place. Mangoe (talk) 02:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Liz Neeley

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Neeley is an accomplished woman but is not encyclopedically notable. There isn't much secondary coverage of her nor she does not pass WP:NACADEMIC. Mooonswimmer 01:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete. I see little sign of NPROF, with only one highly cited paper that is also very highly coauthored. I am skeptical of GNG -- the NPR piece is somewhat substantial, but the other pieces are either primary (usually authored by the subject) or else do not mention her. The book has gotten some reviews, but these do not list her as an author [37][38]. I considered a redirect to the Story Collider, but as she has moved on from that organization, that doesn't seem to make so much sense. I think this is probably a bit WP:TOOSOON. Watchlisting in case I have missed something. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 10:50, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pak Myong-song

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 01:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pak Kyong-won (footballer)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 01:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Roger Jones (physicist)

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Massive conflict of interest issues with a good amount of the edits coming from the subject of the article himself. Some of the sources appear to be dead. Any other sources don't even mention him, focusing more on the actual companies he claimed to have some involvement in. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 01:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tasjil

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Articles for deletion/Tasjil

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Not notable. No significant coverage. References only give a paragraph or so mentioning something similar, but only one uses the translation of tasjil. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 01:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Agreed no coverage in most all reliable sources. Very obscure term.Smkolins (talk) 06:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep‎. Nomination withdrawn, no support for deletion. (non-admin closure) C F A 💬 00:52, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Milton tornado outbreak

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~~WP:TOOSOON. Also, article is extremely basic and has dubious facts. With the facts right now, it is too soon to split. ✶Qux yz ✶ 00:47, 10 October 2024 (UTC)~~[reply]

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Comment: Article already draftified. I'd suggest just withdrawing this. Sir MemeGod  00:47, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Several actions were preformed at a similar time as this nomination. Withdrawing. ✶Qux yz ✶ 00:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Land of Memories

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This subject does not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline. Cfls (talk) 00:36, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria says:
A book is presumed notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria:
1. The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.
Sources
1. Zhu, Jianhua 朱建华 (2023-10-19). "清华教授用AI创作的科幻作品，参赛并获奖" [Tsinghua Professor's AI-Created Sci-Fi Work Competes and Wins an Award]. Wuhan Evening News [zh] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10.
  The article notes: "前后对话66次，清华大学新闻与传播学院教授沈阳利用AI平台创作的科幻作品《机忆之地》（参评时署名“@硅禅”），在第五届江苏省青年科普科幻作品大赛评选中获评二等奖。10月18日中午，本报记者联系上江苏省科普作家协会科幻专委会主任付昌义，他表示，在他的印象中，之前还没有利用AI创作的科幻作品参加比赛并获奖，这是第一次。"
  From Google Translate: "After 66 exchanges of dialogue, Professor Shen Yang from Tsinghua University's School of Journalism and Communication used an AI platform to create the sci-fi work 'Memory Land' (submitted under the name ‘@Silicon Zen’), which won second prize in the fifth Jiangsu Province Youth Science Popularization and Sci-Fi Work Competition. On the afternoon of 18 October, our reporter contacted Fu Changyi, the director of the Sci-Fi Committee of the Jiangsu Provincial Association of Science Writers. He stated that, to his knowledge, this is the first time a sci-fi work created using AI has participated in a competition and won an award."
2. Shen, Zhao 沈昭 (2023-10-22). "AI作家@硅禅的科幻小说得奖了它是怎么写出的获奖作品《机忆之地》？" [AI writer @ Silicon Zen’s science fiction novel won an award. How did it write the award-winning work "The Place of Memories"?]. Yangtse Evening Post (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10.
  The article notes: "《机忆之地》是清华大学沈阳教授团队使用AICG（人工智能创意生成）创作而成的，小说的标题、配图等内容均由AI生成，在最初提交的时候并没有特意标注出自人工智能之手，和其他人类作者的作品经过层层筛选送到了六位终审评委的面前。这篇小说讲述了一名元宇宙探险家李晓寻找记忆的故事，李晓曾经是一名神经工程师，在一次实验中失去了关于家人的记忆，她对“机忆之地”的传说有了浓厚的兴趣，希望借此找回自己遗失的记忆。"
  From Google Translate: ""The Land of Machine Memories" was created by a team of professors from Shenyang, Tsinghua University, using AICG (artificial intelligence creative generation). The title, illustrations and other content of the novel were all generated by AI. When it was initially submitted, it was not specifically marked as being produced by artificial intelligence. The works of other human authors were screened and sent to the six final judges. This novel tells the story of Li Xiao, a metaverse explorer who searches for memories. Li Xiao was once a neuroengineer who lost the memory of her family during an experiment. She became familiar with the legend of the "Land of Machine Memories". I have a strong interest in it, hoping to retrieve my lost memory."
3. Wang, Tingsu 王亭苏 (2023-10-24). He, Rui 何睿 (ed.). "AI小说获科幻奖，人工智能时代文学如何自处？" [AI novel wins science fiction award. How should literature fare in the era of artificial intelligence?]. The Beijing News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10 – via Sohu.
  The article notes: "据报道，一本名为《机忆之地》的小说，于近日在江苏青年科普科幻作品大赛中获得了二等奖。随后，清华大学新闻学院教授沈阳在其个人社交账号上发布消息，称这篇小说从笔名、标题、正文到配图，“100%的内容都是AI写的”。"
  From Google Translate: "According to reports, a novel titled "The Land of Machine Memories" recently won the second prize in the Jiangsu Youth Popular Science Science Fiction Competition. Subsequently, Shen Yang, a professor at the School of Journalism at Tsinghua University, posted on his personal social account that "100% of the content of this novel was written by AI" from the pen name, title, text to illustrations."
4. Lalonde, Catherine (2024-01-08). "A literary prize for an artificial writer". Le Devoir. Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10.
  The article notes: "“At the edge of the metaverse lies the Land of Memories, a forbidden realm from which humans are excluded.” So begins The Land of Memories , a prize-winning short story at the fifth Jiangsu Science Fiction Literary Competition. The text was generated by Shen Yang, professor emeritus at the School of Journalism at Tsinghua University in Beijing, using artificial intelligence (AI). ... Mr. Shen worked with the AI for three hours, giving it 66 commands, to get a rough draft of 43,000 characters. The professor then cut, sculpted and refined this first draft, to arrive at a manuscript of some 6,000 Chinese characters, Land of Memories ( also translated by some media as Land of Machine Memory )."
5. Chik, Holly (2023-12-20). "A Chinese professor used AI to write a science fiction novel. Then it was a winner in a national competition". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2023-12-22. Retrieved 2024-10-10.
  The article notes: "When a professor at Beijing’s Tsinghua University set out to write a science fiction novel about the metaverse and humanoid robots, he turned to artificial intelligence for inspiration. The AI ended up generating his entire book – which then took out a national science fiction award honour. The nearly 6,000-character Chinese-language novel Land of Memories, by Shen Yang, a professor at the university’s school of journalism and communication, was among the winners of the Jiangsu Youth Popular Science Science Fiction Competition, Jinan Times, a newspaper in Shandong province reported. ... The story centres on a metaverse explorer named Li Xiao, who used to be a neural engineer in the real world. After accidentally losing all memories of her family during an experiment, she becomes interested in the legend of the Land of Memories, and hopes that her lost memories can be retrieved in the metaverse."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Land of Memories (simplified Chinese: 机忆之地; traditional Chinese: 機憶之地) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 06:42, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Pinging Piotrus (talk · contribs), who created the article but was not notified of the AfD nomination. Cunard (talk) 06:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. That might warrant a procedural keep, but certainly it warrants regular one given sources you found. So, anyway, Keep for me, of course. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:47, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]